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Karin Cope's avatar

Thanks Max, as always. Your post made me think about an extraordinary book I read in a class with Jim Scott, whose own work was about non-state change from below--Elizabeth Janeway's Powers of the Weak, a book I very often come back to:

https://neglectedbooks.com/?p=4586.

I do think you're missing an important context around Obama specifically and a message of hope beyond hope that he embodieded for many African Americans and others-- even as that, yes you're right, failed. I would still say that the language of hope in that context has legs that go places the middle class white xtian legacy hope you're taking aim at doesn't.

I like very much the list of real possible actions you name at the end. Yes and yes.

Jamie Kneen's avatar

I'm on the same wavelength, for sure. As Blindboy Boatclub put it, at the bottom of Pandora's box, hope was actually the cruellest trick, persuading people to keep doing the things that hurt them, hoping for things to get better (though he put it much better than that; I'll have to dig out the podcast episode). I'm often asked what gives me hope, probably something to do with what I've just been telling them about. I eventually decided that maybe what keeps me going is mostly stubbornness, duty, and love, and what I seek is inspiration, including several of the elements you identify. The space between love, outrage, and grief is full of energy.

As for what sparks revolt out of suffering, the suggestion that's stuck with me is that it's dignity, that there is a point where people's dignity is so insulted that they feel it an affront to their very humanity and they are willing to do anything. The emblematic example is Mohamed Bouazizi, the Tunisian street vendor whose self-immolation sparked the (ill-fated) Arab Spring.

The other thing that occurs to me is that when you say "the radical imagination sparks when people struggle, together, against intolerable injustice. Their visions emerge from the material experience..." etc. it sounds a lot like Zapatismo.

Just a few disjointed thoughts before bedtime!

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